http://www.visitmix.com/ en Abdullah Al Mamun Simply elegant site, excellent contents, thanks guys. http://www.visitmix.com/Articles/The-Future-of-Wireframes#201003130754543 http://www.visitmix.com/Articles/The-Future-of-Wireframes%23201003130754543 Sat, 13 Mar 2010 12:54:54 GMT Matt Brown Rian — Good observation. I should have made this more clear in my piece — I was working from a complete IA phase with full wireframes from the client. Check out, The Future of Wireframes [http://visitmix.com/Articles/The-Future-of-Wireframes]. http://www.visitmix.com/Articles/Discovering-Trustworthiness#201003121224257 http://www.visitmix.com/Articles/Discovering-Trustworthiness%23201003121224257 Fri, 12 Mar 2010 17:24:25 GMT Rian Thanks for this - I really like these real-world case studies and always learn a lot from them. One question. Unless I missed something, you appear to have moved straight from Discovery to Visual Design, skipping the wireframe step. Was that a conscious decision? Can you talk more about why you did that? Time constraints, not needed, etc.? http://www.visitmix.com/Articles/Discovering-Trustworthiness#201003121159514 http://www.visitmix.com/Articles/Discovering-Trustworthiness%23201003121159514 Fri, 12 Mar 2010 16:59:51 GMT Randall Snare Hi Tiffani, Thanks for the great article. Your points about client engagement are really astute - you can't execute your brilliant work unless you can convince how important that brilliant work actually is. So much of CS is people management, as my CS colleague so rightly said - http://www.iqcontent.com/blog/2010/02/how-i-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love-content-strategy/. We're in the position (like the rest of the UX industry was 5, 10 years ago) of evangelizing our jobs. So your simple guidelines for how to assert content during the discovery phase and how to ensure constructive content feedback are very helpful. Buy in shouldn't be the hardest part. http://www.visitmix.com/Articles/A-Common-Sense-Content-Strategy#201003120450598 http://www.visitmix.com/Articles/A-Common-Sense-Content-Strategy%23201003120450598 Fri, 12 Mar 2010 09:50:59 GMT Philippe Alves I've often been mistaken on the true "what" question. I would have answered by the content the site should have and not the problem it should solve. I knew there was something wrong and it had to do with somehow the purpose of the website (or my creativity, which would be dreadful). Now I understand what I was missing. http://www.visitmix.com/Articles/Discovering-Trustworthiness#201003110555520 http://www.visitmix.com/Articles/Discovering-Trustworthiness%23201003110555520 Thu, 11 Mar 2010 22:55:52 GMT Joe Suchy Great article Tim, with some very interesting comments! I agree with you that at least for developers the problem should always come first. I've seen way too many projects that are on the bleeding edge only because the lead developer wanted to be there! I love Silverlight, WPF, Azure, and SaaS, but there are plenty of "problems" that could be solved with simple 2-tier applications, pick your front end and a database, and would be fine. As developers we need to be mature enough to use the best approach to a problem and not just use a new technology so we can put in our our resumes. Just my thoughts. Once again, great article. http://www.visitmix.com/Opinions/Bass-ackwards#201003110528045 http://www.visitmix.com/Opinions/Bass-ackwards%23201003110528045 Thu, 11 Mar 2010 22:28:04 GMT Liz Gebhardt Well written post, and I just want to recommend some complimentary material. BJ Fogg from Stanford also has some interesting things to say about the design process and Web trustworthiness/credibility in his book "Persuasive Technology" (see pages 156-157 in particular). His structure is: Perceived trustworthiness of site (unbiased/fair/honest) + Perceived expertise of site (knowledge/experience/intelligence) = Perceived credibility of site (ability to change people's attitudes and behaviors) His site : http://www.bjfogg.com/ The book: http://www.amazon.com/Persuasive-Technology-Computers-Interactive-Technologies/dp/1558606432/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1268340913&sr=1-4 http://www.visitmix.com/Articles/Discovering-Trustworthiness#201003110357272 http://www.visitmix.com/Articles/Discovering-Trustworthiness%23201003110357272 Thu, 11 Mar 2010 20:57:27 GMT chris Speak your mind, but please--be kind Very interesting. It's getting harder to find serious design blogs/articles these days - it's almost becoming old school dare I say. Keep up the good work! http://www.visitmix.com/Articles/Discovering-Trustworthiness#201003110304265 http://www.visitmix.com/Articles/Discovering-Trustworthiness%23201003110304265 Thu, 11 Mar 2010 20:04:26 GMT leah Too funny. I see so many people 'trying' to be witty on Facebook and twitter, I often think someone needs to invent a witty app. You plug in the basic subject and someone gives you a funny take on it. Haiku app? Genius! http://www.visitmix.com/Opinions/Dear-Twitter#201003110143339 http://www.visitmix.com/Opinions/Dear-Twitter%23201003110143339 Thu, 11 Mar 2010 18:43:33 GMT Tim Aidlin Thanks for all the comments, y'all. I absolutely agree that it's important to have top-notch developers and designers creating things "just because they're cool," and I've personally benefitted by using these technologies. And some of them are just fun or beautiful, which is totally fine. I do find, however, the tools and tech I keep in my pocket, as fjpoblam suggests, are those that, again, solve specific problems. JQuery datepickers, for instance. Our lab project, Glimmer, is a good example of developing tools to solve a specific problem. We saw that there were designers out there who would benefit from a visual way to build JavaScript animations without having to actually code the JavaScript. We then focused on the scenario, developed personas, etc ... So, rather than decide we wanted to create a cool WPF application that did something awesome, we started with the problem, and developed the solution. http://www.visitmix.com/Opinions/Bass-ackwards#201003110142168 http://www.visitmix.com/Opinions/Bass-ackwards%23201003110142168 Thu, 11 Mar 2010 18:42:16 GMT leah @BaconCheeseSuperString - Hey, we have the same clients! I've had some clients really explore the discovery phase and approve wireframes and then design and the result was something I actually wanted in my portfolio and it worked great for the client too... A lot of freelance web design is based on the McDonalds approach-- fast, cheap, and not good for the soul. The client is always wanted to see the pretty painted boxes their ridiculously lenghty content will inhabit. Love the article. I need to up my game and sell the discovery/planning stage a little better and hopefully get better clients in the end. http://www.visitmix.com/Articles/The-Future-of-Wireframes#201003110129343 http://www.visitmix.com/Articles/The-Future-of-Wireframes%23201003110129343 Thu, 11 Mar 2010 18:29:34 GMT leah Enjoyed the article. A lot of times I have to get that first design out of my system to really start the visual discussion of what's needed and what won't work. Nice work on the redesign. http://www.visitmix.com/Articles/Discovering-Trustworthiness#201003110115307 http://www.visitmix.com/Articles/Discovering-Trustworthiness%23201003110115307 Thu, 11 Mar 2010 18:15:30 GMT Brian I use twitter like SMS. It provides me "alerts" into the minds of others. Which may or may not lead to real content that I'd like to read, bookmark or share. So I only follow people that I think use twitter to "alert" others about their real content - blogs, articles, etc. I don't care to contribute to twitter (anymore). I'm selfish that way and I like being disconnected. It's unfortunate I can't use something like google reader to accomplish this. If everyone would just post to one damn place w/ a working RSS feed... http://www.visitmix.com/Opinions/Dear-Twitter#201003111212263 http://www.visitmix.com/Opinions/Dear-Twitter%23201003111212263 Thu, 11 Mar 2010 17:12:26 GMT jacksmyth TALKING OF ANDREW KELLY, here is one that can design, check it out! http://www.a-design.com.au or http://www.lowpricewebdesign.com.au http://www.visitmix.com/Articles/The-Anatomy-of-Web-Design#201003110742279 http://www.visitmix.com/Articles/The-Anatomy-of-Web-Design%23201003110742279 Thu, 11 Mar 2010 12:42:27 GMT Matt Brown Kevin, Jono, Offbeatmammal — Thanks! http://www.visitmix.com/Articles/Discovering-Trustworthiness#201003101119517 http://www.visitmix.com/Articles/Discovering-Trustworthiness%23201003101119517 Thu, 11 Mar 2010 04:19:51 GMT Offbeatmammal I love the redesign, and the glimpse behind the curtains of the process... but all I was really looking for was a decent rounded corners sample! you have no rounded corners. storms off in a huff ;) http://www.visitmix.com/Articles/Discovering-Trustworthiness#201003101039300 http://www.visitmix.com/Articles/Discovering-Trustworthiness%23201003101039300 Thu, 11 Mar 2010 03:39:30 GMT Jono A nice, refreshing read. I even like the way you've applied a magical "what" to this comment form - walking the walk with the "Your Favorite Alias or Email," brilliant! I don't have to put in my email?...I have a choice of Alias or Email?...I can trust that. http://www.visitmix.com/Articles/Discovering-Trustworthiness#201003100851351 http://www.visitmix.com/Articles/Discovering-Trustworthiness%23201003100851351 Thu, 11 Mar 2010 01:51:35 GMT Kevin Thanks for this article, very insightful look at the end-to-end process behind creating a beautiful and functional site. http://www.visitmix.com/Articles/Discovering-Trustworthiness#201003100715017 http://www.visitmix.com/Articles/Discovering-Trustworthiness%23201003100715017 Thu, 11 Mar 2010 00:15:01 GMT Ken Jackson I do believe that we need both types of people. People who build toward a specific problem. And people who build technology that just does stuff that is really cool. The reason the latter is important is because sometimes the people who can build these really cool technologies aren't the same people who are good at finding problems. But if they get that technology in front of the right person, that person may say, "Wow, this would be perfect for XYZ!". http://www.visitmix.com/Opinions/Bass-ackwards#201003100940263 http://www.visitmix.com/Opinions/Bass-ackwards%23201003100940263 Wed, 10 Mar 2010 14:40:26 GMT rtpHarry Hey, I just wanted to point out that the box at the start of this article says it is part 2 in a series but lists two more parts before it. Still reading the actual article... http://www.visitmix.com/Articles/The-Future-of-Wireframes#201003100529428 http://www.visitmix.com/Articles/The-Future-of-Wireframes%23201003100529428 Wed, 10 Mar 2010 10:29:42 GMT kingsofweb.com Just look at people/companies portfolios before committing to giving them money such as these India based companies . http://www.visitmix.com/Opinions/How-to-Identify-a-Web-Designer#201003100439597 http://www.visitmix.com/Opinions/How-to-Identify-a-Web-Designer%23201003100439597 Wed, 10 Mar 2010 09:39:59 GMT ajid Boleh nih bagi2 ilmu tetang fungsi dari windows server web 2008 ....... http://www.visitmix.com/ http://www.visitmix.com/ Wed, 10 Mar 2010 09:15:21 GMT ajid Boleh nih bagi2 ilmu tetang fungsi dari windows server web 2008 ....... http://www.visitmix.com/ http://www.visitmix.com/ Wed, 10 Mar 2010 09:15:01 GMT fjpoblam I've built (and rebuilt) lots of projects around technology. XHTML ...and then HTML5; CSS2.1...and then CSS3; come to mind. I've built templates, thinking I MIGHT use them later. I build websites AROUND the templates. I have numerous little CSS and javascript toys, built up over the years. And, yes (if this is further required by what you're saying) my possession of these tools has motivated me to create things around them BECAUSE I have them, and not just wait until I need them. Parts is parts. http://www.visitmix.com/Opinions/Bass-ackwards#201003090913316 http://www.visitmix.com/Opinions/Bass-ackwards%23201003090913316 Wed, 10 Mar 2010 02:13:31 GMT Matt What problem does a web browser solve? No, really. Think back to 1993 and try to come up with a plausible user story. http://www.visitmix.com/Opinions/Bass-ackwards#201003090748546 http://www.visitmix.com/Opinions/Bass-ackwards%23201003090748546 Wed, 10 Mar 2010 00:48:54 GMT Adolfo You nailed it. http://www.visitmix.com/Opinions/Bass-ackwards#201003090654131 http://www.visitmix.com/Opinions/Bass-ackwards%23201003090654131 Tue, 09 Mar 2010 23:54:13 GMT Ian I use the 'OK Give me nine women and I'll get the baby to you in 1 month' argument' it's often quite effective at helping understand the fundamental issue! http://www.visitmix.com/Opinions/Cheers-to-Saying-No#201003090540105 http://www.visitmix.com/Opinions/Cheers-to-Saying-No%23201003090540105 Tue, 09 Mar 2010 22:40:10 GMT Ian Sadly business people are often so focussed on a specific issue that they fail to see related opportunities that technology solutions can uncover. http://www.visitmix.com/Opinions/Bass-ackwards#201003090536159 http://www.visitmix.com/Opinions/Bass-ackwards%23201003090536159 Tue, 09 Mar 2010 22:36:15 GMT Riskyt You'll get this a lot when you have your business owners trying to be the designers. "Make it use AJAX!" "Can this use Flash?" "I heard about this Web 2.0 stuff...can we use that for this?" Most devs are guilty of this at one point or another. I know I am! But it's not a bad thing, it keeps your skills sharp and your enthusiasm high. You know the old saying, "If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail?" Well, eventually you FIND something to nail, and it's good to have that hammer when you need it. http://www.visitmix.com/Opinions/Bass-ackwards#201003090516472 http://www.visitmix.com/Opinions/Bass-ackwards%23201003090516472 Tue, 09 Mar 2010 22:16:47 GMT Discorax I find that I work FASTER and more EFFICIENTLY when I'm working to solve a clearly defined problem. I relate it a lot to being an artist. If you are trying new techniques, or playing with software it'll take you forever to get a "finished" product (if at all), but if you have a vision of what your goal (problem) is at the outset, all your decisions will take you toward meeting that goal and not necessarily exploring alternatives. In contrast, however, sometimes exploring or working to build a solution to a problem that doesn't exist leads in some very creative directions. You will often end up in a wondrous place if you work this way, but it's rarely cost effective to do so. http://www.visitmix.com/Opinions/Bass-ackwards#201003090507058 http://www.visitmix.com/Opinions/Bass-ackwards%23201003090507058 Tue, 09 Mar 2010 22:07:05 GMT Victorya Shidlovskaya Wow! I thought that only russian webdesigners have such problems! So I was loughing and translating this post to my husbund. The same thing happened to me not so far ago but more bloody. I've started to work with miss X, done a lot of work and was pre-paid for it. But when she started to make me do undiscussed work, I tried to say "no". I wanted to pay back a part of money and give her all .flas, .psds and so on. In turn I've been receiving tons of letters, saying I am a scum... http://www.visitmix.com/Opinions/Cheers-to-Saying-No#201003091110336 http://www.visitmix.com/Opinions/Cheers-to-Saying-No%23201003091110336 Tue, 09 Mar 2010 16:10:33 GMT e-ticaret sağolun arkadaşlar... http://www.visitmix.com/Articles/The-Future-of-Wireframes#201003080629096 http://www.visitmix.com/Articles/The-Future-of-Wireframes%23201003080629096 Mon, 08 Mar 2010 23:29:09 GMT Mike Simon I got a Dell SX2210T dual touch monitor for Christmas and immediately began designing touch applications for my daughter. Having already become accustomed to using my iphone for entertainment and educational apps, she's pretty used to the touch interface and its limitations. The interesting thing I found was that she was far more interested in using touch when it was simple button pressing and and selection (I wrote a preschool app that uses text-to-speech and asks her to select the correct sight word) than for drag and drop (another app let her drag lowercase letters to the same uppercase letters and made cute little "magic" sounds when she got them right). After playing around with it myself, I found my fingers and arms would get sore from dragging them across the screen. I would encourage touch screen manufacturers to enable their monitors to tilt to extreme degrees to offset this kind of fatique. Another interesting side effect was that she wanted to combine her fingers with a stylus at times. I have a Wacom Cintiq 21UX as my second monitor and she's been drawing/painting on that for a couple of years now. It would be nice if all touch surfaces allowed for use of a stylus as well for finer uses like that. Until then, for dragging and dropping she's using the mouse and for drawing she simply drags the window halfway over to the Cintiq with her finger or the mouse, then takes it the rest of the way with the stylus. This is great for teaching her the power of different tools, but I think a single UI paradigm might be more intuitive :) On a side note, most of my work is done in either Silverlight or WPF for Win7/64, but touch stuff seems to work pretty well even if you're using Vista, and hardware support for multiple touch/pen interfaces is definitely more mature in Vista for now. http://www.visitmix.com/Opinions/Design-for-tables#201003080628339 http://www.visitmix.com/Opinions/Design-for-tables%23201003080628339 Mon, 08 Mar 2010 23:28:33 GMT Mark Thanks a bunch for sharing this valuable information. Awesome work, btw! http://www.visitmix.com/Articles/The-Anatomy-of-Web-Design#201003080440189 http://www.visitmix.com/Articles/The-Anatomy-of-Web-Design%23201003080440189 Mon, 08 Mar 2010 09:40:18 GMT Tiffani Jones Brown Thanks for your thoughts, everyone! Stuart: I've been hearing about this Content Strategy Forum in Paris, and it sounds so tempting. Marking it on my calendar for next year! http://www.visitmix.com/Articles/A-Common-Sense-Content-Strategy#201003070440072 http://www.visitmix.com/Articles/A-Common-Sense-Content-Strategy%23201003070440072 Sun, 07 Mar 2010 21:40:07 GMT Martin Aatmaa I like Option 2. I think it's clean enough in the sense that the View is still using the Model property to get it's data. And as Craig mentions above, you can always stash the nasty markup (including codebehind, if you keep in) in a partial or Html Helper. Thanks for the informative post! http://www.visitmix.com/LabNotes/ASPNET-Charts-and-ASPNET-MVC--Controller-vs-View#201003070320384 http://www.visitmix.com/LabNotes/ASPNET-Charts-and-ASPNET-MVC--Controller-vs-View%23201003070320384 Sun, 07 Mar 2010 08:20:38 GMT Tracy Bains I heart this article--true to form, it's well-written and insightful. Content is my bugaboo right now so to have a good case study and a tidy breakdown of "content strategy" is fantastic. Well done, Tiffani. http://www.visitmix.com/Articles/A-Common-Sense-Content-Strategy#201003061101511 http://www.visitmix.com/Articles/A-Common-Sense-Content-Strategy%23201003061101511 Sat, 06 Mar 2010 16:01:51 GMT Stuart C. Excellent article that really puts content strategy into context while providing some excellent practical guidance. If you liked this, you'll love Content Strategy Forum 2010, Paris, France, 15-16 April (http://www.stcfrance.org/conference). We'll be discussing all these issues, and more! Kristina H. will be keynoting. Would love to see you there, Tiffani !! http://www.visitmix.com/Articles/A-Common-Sense-Content-Strategy#201003061041439 http://www.visitmix.com/Articles/A-Common-Sense-Content-Strategy%23201003061041439 Sat, 06 Mar 2010 15:41:43 GMT Chris Check out: http://www.squidoo.com/amazon-kindle-vs-apple-ipad http://www.visitmix.com/Opinions/Kindle-vs-iPad-vs-Weimaraner#201003061036089 http://www.visitmix.com/Opinions/Kindle-vs-iPad-vs-Weimaraner%23201003061036089 Sat, 06 Mar 2010 15:36:08 GMT Tomaz Zaman I love it how you always back up your writings by stuff we can actually use on our projects (beside the knowledge) Thanx! http://www.visitmix.com/Articles/The-Future-of-Wireframes#201003060916442 http://www.visitmix.com/Articles/The-Future-of-Wireframes%23201003060916442 Sat, 06 Mar 2010 14:16:44 GMT Daniel Schutzsmith I agree with most of the folks here, that the example pdf is spot on and gorgeous! One other thing I'd like to say is that the future of wireframing also tends to be making the terminology we use, easier for the layman to understand. I've noticed this need a lot lately because of the magnitude of VP's and management whom are now concerned with their brand's websites and are taking an active role in the design process (more than in the past when they'd usually only say, "my nephew is a webmaster, maybe he could help you decide the structure of the e-commerce store?"). Great post! http://www.visitmix.com/Articles/The-Future-of-Wireframes#201003050618453 http://www.visitmix.com/Articles/The-Future-of-Wireframes%23201003050618453 Fri, 05 Mar 2010 23:18:45 GMT Karsten Januszewski I just deployed this to IIS and was getting the following error: "Session state has created a session id, but cannot save it because the response was already flushed by the application. " Turns out this is because the chart may use session id for unauthenticated users as default privacy key (to make sure the chart images will go to the client created the image). . If the data on the chart is not user sensitive you can disable the privacy protection: set privateImages=false in ChartImageHandler web.config settings. See this blog post for more about config settings for the ChartImageHandler: http://blogs.msdn.com/deliant/archive/2008/12/02/managing-chart-generated-images-with-chart-image-handler.aspx http://www.visitmix.com/LabNotes/ASPNET-Charts-and-ASPNET-MVC--Controller-vs-View#201003050416264 http://www.visitmix.com/LabNotes/ASPNET-Charts-and-ASPNET-MVC--Controller-vs-View%23201003050416264 Fri, 05 Mar 2010 21:16:26 GMT Adil Abbas Oh.. This thing is really incredible! i wonder how could i didn't even heard about it before.. This is far much better than the Gravatar, will definitely be adding this in my blog. @Matthew Thanks so much, you made my day! - Adil http://www.visitmix.com/LabNotes/Incarnate-Find-and-Reuse-Your-Avatars#201003050416168 http://www.visitmix.com/LabNotes/Incarnate-Find-and-Reuse-Your-Avatars%23201003050416168 Fri, 05 Mar 2010 21:16:16 GMT Ted Goas I enjoyed your bit about micro-copy. I didn't fully appreciate how hard it is to write good micro-copy that's "not overbearing or overly 'shouty.'" I took a lot away from reading the discovery questions you asked, as well. http://www.visitmix.com/Articles/A-Common-Sense-Content-Strategy#201003050400484 http://www.visitmix.com/Articles/A-Common-Sense-Content-Strategy%23201003050400484 Fri, 05 Mar 2010 21:00:48 GMT steve p. Awesome article! I will definitely be implementing the 'micro-copy' ideas into the character (if you want to call it that) of my site for future posts. I'm in the midst of a redesign of my site as we speak and this article is a great reference to pull ideas from. I think you hit on a lot of great points to consider and the Discover area was really on point. I'm bookmarking this one! Thanks. http://www.visitmix.com/Articles/A-Common-Sense-Content-Strategy#201003051157254 http://www.visitmix.com/Articles/A-Common-Sense-Content-Strategy%23201003051157254 Fri, 05 Mar 2010 16:57:25 GMT Craig Stuntz Option 3: Use an HTML helper to render it. Demo here: http://blogs.teamb.com/craigstuntz/2009/05/12/38297/ Advantages: Fits the MVC Html.DisplayFor() pattern. Doesn't require code behind. Disadvantages: ??? http://www.visitmix.com/LabNotes/ASPNET-Charts-and-ASPNET-MVC--Controller-vs-View#201003051139142 http://www.visitmix.com/LabNotes/ASPNET-Charts-and-ASPNET-MVC--Controller-vs-View%23201003051139142 Fri, 05 Mar 2010 16:39:14 GMT Erik Option 2, ever time. You're doing view-specific work in a view-specific place - that's not a violation of MVC in my eyes. If you want to avoid codebehind, use an inline server-side script tag - [script runat="server"] - and put your Page_Load event code in there. http://www.visitmix.com/LabNotes/ASPNET-Charts-and-ASPNET-MVC--Controller-vs-View#201003051106392 http://www.visitmix.com/LabNotes/ASPNET-Charts-and-ASPNET-MVC--Controller-vs-View%23201003051106392 Fri, 05 Mar 2010 16:06:39 GMT Ankit great explanation http://www.visitmix.com/Articles/A-Common-Sense-Content-Strategy#201003040758436 http://www.visitmix.com/Articles/A-Common-Sense-Content-Strategy%23201003040758436 Fri, 05 Mar 2010 00:58:43 GMT Brian K Beautiful article Tiffani. I can't say that about too many these days.. I am really having to take a step back and review content strategy for a new project I picked up. This is a great outline. *Content is King! http://www.visitmix.com/Articles/A-Common-Sense-Content-Strategy#201003040737279 http://www.visitmix.com/Articles/A-Common-Sense-Content-Strategy%23201003040737279 Fri, 05 Mar 2010 00:37:27 GMT Zack Forget the iPad and Kindle. I'm thinking that we need a Weimaraner vs. Vizsla comparison. I'm partial to the Vizsla mainly because it has all the features of the Wimey but in a smaller package. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vizsla http://www.visitmix.com/Opinions/Kindle-vs-iPad-vs-Weimaraner#201003040639407 http://www.visitmix.com/Opinions/Kindle-vs-iPad-vs-Weimaraner%23201003040639407 Thu, 04 Mar 2010 23:39:40 GMT